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	<title>دیدگاه‌ها برای: چهل درصد سخت‌تر</title>
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		<dc:creator>fh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2007 19:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And MM&#039;s strategy rocks! I actually thought of something that, but didn&#039;t know it was a real theory. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And MM&#8217;s strategy rocks! I actually thought of something that, but didn&#8217;t know it was a real theory. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>با: fh</title>
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		<dc:creator>fh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2007 19:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t we all wonder? :) And ROTFL at Fih-e-Ma-Fih quote! Molavi rocks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t we all wonder? <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  And ROTFL at Fih-e-Ma-Fih quote! Molavi rocks!</p>
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		<title>با: پاسپارتو</title>
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		<dc:creator>پاسپارتو</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2007 07:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Dear Mr. Mortazavi &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Thanks a lot, I like to know more about &quot;Tit for Tat&quot;. I think I should start learning game theory, It seems to be very insightful, with many applications from social sciences to engineering.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Dear Mr. Mortazavi </b></p>
<p>Thanks a lot, I like to know more about &#8220;Tit for Tat&#8221;. I think I should start learning game theory, It seems to be very insightful, with many applications from social sciences to engineering.</p>
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		<title>با: Masood Mortazavi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Masood Mortazavi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2007 00:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The study looks like repeated games study. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;However, note that in all of these studies, the situation is a very, very simplified abstraction of the real-world. They illuminate only something, not the real story. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;In his simplified repeated game studies, Robert Axelrod discovered that &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tit_for_tat&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Tit-for-Tat &lt;/a&gt;strategy was the best.&lt;br/&gt; &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The way to get out of the dilemma you suggested in the experiement you cite is to willfully reduce pain and wait for a response by the other side. The best strategy for both would be to reduce pain. They will discover this to be the best &quot;repeated-game&quot; strategy if they play this repeated game often enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The study looks like repeated games study. </p>
<p>However, note that in all of these studies, the situation is a very, very simplified abstraction of the real-world. They illuminate only something, not the real story. </p>
<p>In his simplified repeated game studies, Robert Axelrod discovered that <a HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tit_for_tat" REL="nofollow">Tit-for-Tat </a>strategy was the best.</p>
<p>The way to get out of the dilemma you suggested in the experiement you cite is to willfully reduce pain and wait for a response by the other side. The best strategy for both would be to reduce pain. They will discover this to be the best &#8220;repeated-game&#8221; strategy if they play this repeated game often enough.</p>
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		<title>با: پاسپارتو</title>
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		<dc:creator>پاسپارتو</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2007 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Dear Omid &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Thanks&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Dear Fatemeh&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br/&gt;A very nice and interesting point of view. It reminds me a sentence in &quot;Fihe-Ma-Fih&quot; where Mowlana says:&lt;br/&gt;&quot;A feather of angel is tied to a donkeys tail&quot;. But where is the &quot;That&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Dear Omid </b><br />Thanks</p>
<p><b>Dear Fatemeh</b><br />A very nice and interesting point of view. It reminds me a sentence in &#8220;Fihe-Ma-Fih&#8221; where Mowlana says:<br />&#8220;A feather of angel is tied to a donkeys tail&#8221;. But where is the &#8220;That&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>با: fh</title>
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		<dc:creator>fh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 14:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seriously though, humans are creepy, Remember the Stanley Miligram freakish experiment? (that sure made me be afraid of myself for quite a while! I felt like I had Hulk in me or something!) Not to mention Stanford Prison. And that&#039;s not even talking about the daily news, which is more horrible than any of those. lol!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Ya know what it reminds me of? It reminds me of how the angels all freaked out when God told them he was creating Man (probably in some divine equivalent of orientation meeting, rofl) &lt;i&gt;THIS&lt;/i&gt; is what they saw, and it very much looked like a clever beast and it freaked them out very much as the concept of &quot;thinking machine&quot; freaks &lt;i&gt;us&lt;/i&gt; out (think of all those Evil Robot sci-fis!) But still, God knew That Which They Did Not Know...&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I guess we all more or less find ourselves on the angels&#039; side. WE sure cannot see &quot;That&quot; either. However, we are in the difficult situation of feeling we OUGHT TO know what &quot;That&quot; is. We do not have the easy luxury of &quot;Yes Lord, let your will prevail. We&#039;ll obey you no matter what *smile* *bow*&quot; that the angels had (although poor cousin Devil might argue that it was NOT all that easy lol!)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I&#039;ve actually meant to blog this for so long but haven&#039;t cuz I would have to explain the whole Islamic story of Genesis to get here and I&#039;ve never quite felt like typing that much. lol!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seriously though, humans are creepy, Remember the Stanley Miligram freakish experiment? (that sure made me be afraid of myself for quite a while! I felt like I had Hulk in me or something!) Not to mention Stanford Prison. And that&#8217;s not even talking about the daily news, which is more horrible than any of those. lol!</p>
<p>Ya know what it reminds me of? It reminds me of how the angels all freaked out when God told them he was creating Man (probably in some divine equivalent of orientation meeting, rofl) <i>THIS</i> is what they saw, and it very much looked like a clever beast and it freaked them out very much as the concept of &#8220;thinking machine&#8221; freaks <i>us</i> out (think of all those Evil Robot sci-fis!) But still, God knew That Which They Did Not Know&#8230;</p>
<p>I guess we all more or less find ourselves on the angels&#8217; side. WE sure cannot see &#8220;That&#8221; either. However, we are in the difficult situation of feeling we OUGHT TO know what &#8220;That&#8221; is. We do not have the easy luxury of &#8220;Yes Lord, let your will prevail. We&#8217;ll obey you no matter what *smile* *bow*&#8221; that the angels had (although poor cousin Devil might argue that it was NOT all that easy lol!)</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve actually meant to blog this for so long but haven&#8217;t cuz I would have to explain the whole Islamic story of Genesis to get here and I&#8217;ve never quite felt like typing that much. lol!</p>
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		<title>با: fh</title>
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		<dc:creator>fh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 13:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lol! Interesting. lol! Sorry, it&#039;s just that the third paragraph reminds me of personal experience &quot;but he hit me harder.&quot; lol! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lol! Interesting. lol! Sorry, it&#8217;s just that the third paragraph reminds me of personal experience &#8220;but he hit me harder.&#8221; lol! <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>با: Omid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Omid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 12:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You hit the ground running ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You hit the ground running <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>با: پاسپارتو</title>
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		<dc:creator>پاسپارتو</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 19:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>امیدجان اگر اشتباه کردم مرا به خاطر دوزاری کجم ببخش</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>امیدجان اگر اشتباه کردم مرا به خاطر دوزاری کجم ببخش</p>
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		<title>با: پاسپارتو</title>
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		<dc:creator>پاسپارتو</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 18:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;آدم آهنی عزیز&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br/&gt;تا مشکل حاد را چه بدانیم، بعضی چیزها ذره ذره و خرد خرد و پنهان خرابیهایی درست می کنند که شاید خیلی بد باشند.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;رضا عزیز&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br/&gt;رضا جان من سعی کردم آن چهل درصد را تصور کنم، شبیه این است که شدت ضربه ای که شخص می زند دو برابر ضربه قبلی اش است. اما درمورد انقراض فکر کنم میمونها، گرگها، و گوزنها هم در همین مایه ها هم دیگر و دیگر حیوانات را میزنند! اما اگر انسان منقرضشان نکند خیال انقراض ندارند! ضمناً باید در نظر داشت توانایی هر طرف محدود است و تا مقدار محدودی این رشد میتواند ادامه پیدا کند. گرچه وضعیت آدم چندان به آنها شباهت ندارد به قول قدیمیها از این بشر دوپا هیچ چیز بعید نیست.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;گذشته از اینها همان طور که گفتی کاش روی نتیجه این تحقیق واقعا فکر کنیم.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;امید عزیز&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br/&gt;خیلی مخلصیم، اما امید جان شما کدام امیدی؟!ا &lt;br/&gt;:D&lt;br/&gt;همان آقای &lt;br/&gt;O.K. &lt;br/&gt;نیستی؟</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>آدم آهنی عزیز</b><br />تا مشکل حاد را چه بدانیم، بعضی چیزها ذره ذره و خرد خرد و پنهان خرابیهایی درست می کنند که شاید خیلی بد باشند.</p>
<p><b>رضا عزیز</b><br />رضا جان من سعی کردم آن چهل درصد را تصور کنم، شبیه این است که شدت ضربه ای که شخص می زند دو برابر ضربه قبلی اش است. اما درمورد انقراض فکر کنم میمونها، گرگها، و گوزنها هم در همین مایه ها هم دیگر و دیگر حیوانات را میزنند! اما اگر انسان منقرضشان نکند خیال انقراض ندارند! ضمناً باید در نظر داشت توانایی هر طرف محدود است و تا مقدار محدودی این رشد میتواند ادامه پیدا کند. گرچه وضعیت آدم چندان به آنها شباهت ندارد به قول قدیمیها از این بشر دوپا هیچ چیز بعید نیست.</p>
<p>گذشته از اینها همان طور که گفتی کاش روی نتیجه این تحقیق واقعا فکر کنیم.</p>
<p><b>امید عزیز</b><br />خیلی مخلصیم، اما امید جان شما کدام امیدی؟!ا <br /> <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> <br />همان آقای <br />O.K. <br />نیستی؟</p>
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